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Kit

Number of posts: 775 Registration date: 2008-04-21
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:21 pm | |
| Samie only one person has been laid off from the FD, so what trust has been broken when it comes to public safety? I believe our Fire Dept. will still do a great job as always. If you can get a recall on one lay off, all I can say is good luck. Besides, any elected official would be remiss in their duty if they did not explore all avenues to hold down taxes. The PD budget was raped by a previous administration, not including the Mayor. The PD suffered trying to make up from being over $200,000.00 in the hole because of the previous mismanagement, and layed off several. That same group over staffed the FD and now the bill is due. |
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TM

Number of posts: 5446 Registration date: 2008-04-20 Age: 57 Location: Who knows ?
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 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:30 pm | |
| I don't see any grounds for a recall. I wonder Samie, do you feel the same way about the cuts in the PD ? Do you consider it putting the public in danger ? I haven't heard you mention the PD at all. What it leads most to conclude is that either you are a fireman or know the layed off person. Which is fine but it doesn't exactly make you an impartial party. _________________  An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. |
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samie

Number of posts: 40 Registration date: 2009-06-08
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:59 am | |
| P.D. has a retention problem due to the management of the department. I use to live in the area until I moved to South / East Kansas, I’m related to a EPD Officer and EFD member so I know first hand on what’s going on here, this is affecting real people and it’s not right, Management has threatened more lay offs at EPD at the first of the year. When they do I will be here supporting them along with hundreds of others. |
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triedntru

Number of posts: 1787 Registration date: 2008-04-21 Age: 30 Location: Edwardsville
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:25 am | |
| When you say "management has threatened more lay offs..." who are you calling management? The police chief? The city council? _________________ Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.  |
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Kit

Number of posts: 775 Registration date: 2008-04-21
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:43 am | |
| Sorry samie, no cigar. There have not been any layoffs threatened for the PD at the first of the year. There is no retention problem other than officers leaving for a better position elsewhere or for their own personal reasons. But that is the nature of PD's everywhere, especially in departments with less than 50 officers. If you check, many officers remain in that occupation on the average for about 5 years. There is not a management problem, fact is, the management is better than ever. The crime clearance rate is the highest it has ever been and that is with fewer officers. The clearance rate is the highest in the county and higher than most in the metro area. Check it out for yourself. Also, this management has secured grants for another officer and equipment, which hasn't been done by others for years. |
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samie

Number of posts: 40 Registration date: 2009-06-08
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:53 am | |
| | triedntru wrote: | | When you say "management has threatened more lay offs..." who are you calling management? The police chief? The city council? |
The Police Chief and City Manager, the Fire Chief is to worried about keeping his own job. |
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samie

Number of posts: 40 Registration date: 2009-06-08
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:00 pm | |
| | Kit wrote: | Sorry samie, no cigar. There have not been any layoffs threatened for the PD at the first of the year. There is no retention problem other than officers leaving for a better position elsewhere or for their own personal reasons. But that is the nature of PD's everywhere, especially in departments with less than 50 officers. If you check, many officers remain in that occupation on the average for about 5 years. There is not a management problem, fact is, the management is better than ever. The crime clearance rate is the highest it has ever been and that is with fewer officers. The clearance rate is the highest in the county and higher than most in the metro area. Check it out for yourself. Also, this management has secured grants for another officer and equipment, which hasn't been done by others for years. |
Well I heard different about the retention problem and I think it's great the Police Chief is smart enough to apply and get grants it's to bad the Fire Chief is incompetent and doesn't stand up for his department. |
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Kit

Number of posts: 775 Registration date: 2008-04-21
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:03 pm | |
| Well the Fire Chief is not incompetent by no means, and for you to judge him that way is just wrong. |
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triedntru

Number of posts: 1787 Registration date: 2008-04-21 Age: 30 Location: Edwardsville
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:12 pm | |
| Well, samie, since you don't live here anymore, why don't you let us run our own town how we see fit? _________________ Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.  |
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TM

Number of posts: 5446 Registration date: 2008-04-20 Age: 57 Location: Who knows ?
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 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:56 pm | |
| Now wait a minute TNT, I don't live there either. Besides Samie has already told us he knows people who are involved. I do not believe that either chief is incompetent. _________________  An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. |
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Piute

Number of posts: 1481 Registration date: 2008-04-22 Location: Watching TM and ignoring Tali
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 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:04 pm | |
| | samie wrote: |
Well I heard different about the retention problem and I think it's great the Police Chief is smart enough to apply and get grants it's to bad the Fire Chief is incompetent and doesn't stand up for his department. |
You've heard????????
Well, I know, and any retention problem is not due to the department or management. Any officer that has left the police department in the last 1 1/2 years has done so for reasons other than what you wish to think. Maybe you need to check your facts (or source) better.
As far as the Fire Chief standing up for his department, he only has so much money in his budget. Under the corrupt administration that left office about 2 1/2 years ago, the Fire Chief was told who and how many he would hire. Unfortunately that administration left the city in a mess financially so that when a large commercial tax appeal was upheld, there was no money left in the city treasurey to absorb the lost revenue or to maintain the extra employees that administration decided to hire. That old administration also chose to only pay interest on some bonds so that now the principle is coming due in the very near future. One of the council from that regime said it in a council meeting, they were spending money that was SUPPOSED to be coming in. That's why the old administrator was having a near heart attack when it looked like those apartments wouldn't get approved, he had already spent the money. Guess what, no ground has or will be broken for them and that money ain't here. |
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Piute

Number of posts: 1481 Registration date: 2008-04-22 Location: Watching TM and ignoring Tali
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 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:10 pm | |
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nannymom

Number of posts: 3573 Registration date: 2008-04-21
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:48 pm | |
| he is still in the mug shots!!! |
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plowboy12
Number of posts: 31 Registration date: 2008-04-23
 | Subject: Re: Stephanie Eickoff Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:39 am | |
| For the record, the fire department has applied for some grants. |
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